I asked my friend Jonathan Pageau to come and chat with me about our current movement of iconoclasm—the teardown and curtailment of art—because who better to talk about iconoclasm than a creator of icons? Jonathan is an Eastern Orthodox icon carver, and host of “The Symbolic World,” a podcast where he shows how ancient archetypal and metaphysical patterns reveal themselves in culture. Stay through to the end, where Jonathan gives an important exhortation to artists, and how they can make a difference in our culture right now.

*

Vesperisms: The Art of Thinking for Yourself is the podcast to help you make sense of your place in this crazy world by reclaiming an artistic worldview. Everything around us is trying to push us into boxes, but that's not how artists' minds work. Let's get off that detour and back on the main road to thinking for ourselves: as artists.

*

My newest book, A Cloud of Outrageous Blue, can be found at any bookseller—I recommend your local indie bookstore, who would love your support right now.

*

Follow me on Instagram @vesperillustration, and support Vesperisms on Patreon. Thanks for joining me!

*

Music for Vesperisms is provided by Ben + Vesper.