James interviews Grammy award winning soloist and Māori taonga puoro specialist Jerome Kavanagh Poutama nō Ngāti Maniapoto - Matakore, Mōkai Pātea, Ngāti Rangi - Ata Whanganui, Ngāti Tūwharetoa, Ngāti Kahungunu, Caomhánach (Irish). Jerome shares his early beginnings in Taonga Puoro, how his practice evolved from working in kura and kohanga reo, and how the settling practice of Oro Atua was developed. Fascinated with sound that activates human power, Jerome furthered this with technology and has travelled the world performing with Taonga Puoro in a modern context, and has a composers residency at Victoria University.