Perry re-introduces the E3 Framework – Explore, Experiment, Evolve – and highlights the importance of word choice, emphasizing "evolve" over "change" and "transformation."

Throughout the episode, Perry discusses the concept of evolving as a personal choice, driven by internal considerations rather than external stimuli.

The Power of Conversation: "Our belief systems do not align, but we have great conversations because we're curious with each other. I asked him questions about the things he believes, and he asked me questions about what I believe. And the most amazing thing about that is, we find commonalities a lot of the time."— Perry Maughmer

Reflect on your evolution. Confront your dogmas. And embrace curiosity to create a better world for those you care about.

Top Takeaways

1. The E3 Framework (Explore, Experiment, Evolve) emphasizes the importance of personal evolution over abrupt change.

2. Evolving as a person takes time, and consideration, and is internally driven. It involves picking and choosing things to address slowly over time, rather than seeking a quick fix.

3. There is a significant cost to evolving, as it requires patience, effort, and the ability to focus on fewer, more meaningful areas for improvement.

4. Evolving can lead to relentless searching for improvement, making it challenging to settle on one thing or find comfort in progress.

5. It's important to continually question what we believe and avoid letting beliefs become dogma, as dogma replaces thought and hinders personal growth and understanding.

6. Maintaining curiosity and being open to different viewpoints can prevent anger and encourage empathy, ultimately fostering better interactions and discussions.

7. Collaboration, humility, and the acceptance of differing logical perspectives are essential to better understanding others and fostering empathy.

8. Strategic retreats are essential in the process of evolution, as constant advancement without pause isn't sustainable.

9. Personal evolution should be aligned with creating a better world for those we care most about, and it requires embracing discomfort and the unknown.

10. Continuous evolution involves the expansion of thought processes, challenging incontrovertible truths, and being open to learning and evolving beyond past beliefs.

Memorable Moments

00:00 Resistance to change is natural, personal evolution.

06:02 Evolving challenges labels and beliefs' dogmatic nature.

07:01 Incontrovertible truths become dogma and hinder human evolution.

10:42 Many conversations hinge on rigid, unquestionable opinions.

15:08 Empathy is essential in understanding differing viewpoints.

19:58 Start with evolve and have a target.

22:17 Seek opportunities for personal growth and collaboration.

25:48 Evolve, grow, break dogmas, and make the world better.

Perry Maughmer believes the world deserves better leadership; that in every human interaction there is the opportunity to either build others up or tear them down; and that leadership is the choice we make in those moments.

These beliefs led Perry to create the Potential Leader Lab. He wanted to offer those who share his beliefs the space and safety to explore transformative ideas, experiment with new behaviors, and evolve into the leaders they were meant to be and that the world needs.

This is a framework he has used again and again with his Vistage peer advisory groups and companies like Turn-Key Tunneling, Convergint, Haughn &  Associates, I Am Boundless, Ketchum & Walton, LSP Technologies, and Ahlum & Arbor.

Perry lives and works on the shores of Buckeye Lake in Ohio, in the mountains of northwest Georgia, and on the...