Jim Reavis joins me from Cloud Security Expo 2016 at London ExCel centre. Jim is now on his fifth podcast with me since 2012 and we talk Cloud Security Access Brokers, changes at the CSA, we talk about why you can't be lax about not using freely available matrixes and resources and why you should be working with the CSA. We look ahead to the end of May where we will be presenting in Dublin so for more info check the website or the Twitter (or my Twitter) feeds.